frames?

[Looney Pit]

what do you think about using frames?
I created my site with two frames and works fine, but when I'm looking on some profes. made sites, they don't use frames.
what is the deal? why don't they use them?

[s man]

some older browsers and webtv (aka msntv) can't see frames. also some sites have affiliate links and they don't like your frame on top while the people shop. :D

[Looney Pit]

so, there is only problem with old browsers/webtv?

when at first I made my site I didn't think about resolution, then I fixed it, cause someone told me that most users use res 800x600, is that right?

sorry, i have to ask you again, so there is not particular reason to use frames?
or just take a look www.pevojunior.com, i used top and left frame.
thanks
petr

[s man]

not that I know of........
:D

yeah, most people have 800x600

[Looney Pit]

thank you

[nsr81]

also netscape 4.x (used by most people who use NN) doesn't hide frame borders.

[Delerium]

Originally posted by Looney Pit
...when I'm looking on some profes. made sites, they don't use frames.
what is the deal? why don't they use them?

Because sometimes a simpler design (aka no frames) is better than a design that is complex. Most frame designed pages that I have seen don't look that great, especially the ones with scrollbars in every frame.

[KimikoChan]

Instead of using frames, use SSI. Works almost the same if not better ^^.. YOu can keep your side menu in a text file and only update that when needed.. That is what I did with one of my sites and it was a blessing as my site was huge and needed to be updated frequently.

[Jaume]

Frames are a good solution if you use them properly. You don't have to have the ugly scrollbar (the horizontal scrollbar is the ugliest thing you can see in a web page) if you don't want, and even Netscape allows you to hide the frame border. And to have a hidden frame helps very much if you are building complexe dynamic pages. But many sites that need to count hits due to commercial reasons don't like them, they want single pages to be loaded each time.

[Looney Pit]

Thank you guys.
Great advices and ideas!

[Oknark]

Frames just suck. Period. Tables can do anything a frame can do, without compromising the look of the site, plus with tables, it doesn't matter what resolution visitorX uses, for you can set them to resize according to the browsing window.

Check out www.computer-chronics.com for some good usage of tables.

Just my 2 cents :D

[Jaume]

I don't understand why a page made with frames has to look ugly. The function of a frame is to have some content always in the same place, not losing it if you scroll down. Because of that they are useful for a navigation bar, you have it always visible, the browser doesn't have to render the same each time you click and load a new page. And if you program a page for a standard resolution of 800*600 it will look also well in higher resolutions. If the web designer is good it doesn't matter if you use frames or tables or whatever.

[Infinity]

I love tables! Using the width=% then it shoud adjust to any size the resolution calls for :) ...I hope

[ATipsy]

The other bad thing about frames is that it's bad for your search eninges results. Your homepage won't rank high for anything cause it's only a frameset.

Plus people using search engines will get links to sub-frame documents instead of the entire frameset. That can be a big problem ... unless you're using a javascript to test if the frameset is loaded and load the frameset with the correct document in the content frame.

[haemin]

Yeah, I hate those ugly scroll bars, but how do I create no frame page that can navigate in the same page without losing the menu page? I've been pulling my hair out for days now... and I don't want to become a hair club member :D